Goodness I love Johnny Depp (Crybaby is on Oxygen right now...heavily censored...fucking Oprah. Though seriously, is there anything more ridiculous, or fucking hot, than Johnny Depp warning Allison that "orphans have special needs"?)

Quick note of importance. My apologies for freakout of the other day. I am good now. I am just...surprised is all. That people like my crappy writing. It amazes me. From now on though I shall direct all praise to Pooky, as she is really the one who made me write it.

Also...so far my biography of Marlowe from the library is so boring. I mean...I don't know what I was expecting-- like a Cambridge dorm room under the covers snuggle fest and handjob I guess.

That would be hot. Totally hot. Sexy and brilliant but poor undergrad and his equally poor bedmate shagging to pass the time, all the while Marlowe is in love with some snotty as hell rich kid who doesn't appreciate his education, and they hate each other, but stare at each other with a furious, panting kind of want, that just leaves Marlowe wound up and bitter and frustrated, screwing his roommate desperately. And it turns out his roommate is in love with him, worships him, but he doesn't know it. And...and...this would never ever happen but a girl can dream.

I feel like Pir8fancier. All it needs now is a super goth and intimidating professor with a preference for same snotty rich kid but a watchful eye on that troublesome Marlowe. Considering Marlowe was the only surviving son in his family, I guess that does make him The Boy Who Lived.

I would give such a story....3 dicks I think. Maybe 4 if the prof gets involved.

*munches honey roasted peanuts like a fiend*

From: [identity profile] pir8fancier.livejournal.com


Maybe 4 if the prof gets involved.

The more dicks the merrier, I always say.

And re the fandom thing. I read your post and it didn't come across as freaked out. I try to keep my internet persona separate from my real life persona. I have kids, and I have seen enough freaky things happen to OTHER people online so that it is good and wise to keep some distance and semblance of anonymity. I also have a real life writing career that I think might suffer considerably if other authors that I know *KNEW* that I wrote fanfiction (let's not even get into the issue of slash). I think they would consider it at the very least ironic and at the very worst hypocritical. I mean, here I am a published author and I'm writing fanfiction? Et tu, Brutus? Of course, there are NOT going to be any fandoms dedicated to writing about my characters (HAHAHAHAHAHA!) but still.

And please. Crappy writing? No and no again. People don't follow a fic for close to two years, diligently, every week checking and re-checking, occasionally writing annoying emails begging for updates, on fic that's crappy. All that fangirling on my part is because you've written characters that I truly care about. I want to KNOW if Rene ever comes to terms with his inner demons, just what is James willing to sacrifice for Rene, what is Rene willing to sacrifice for James? Questions, I have questions that only you can answer. Check out my fanfiction page that I set up over a year ago. What's on it? Rec for IoS.

It's good writing. Really good writing. Keep it coming (couldn't resist that fangirl whine at the end)!

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I also have a real life writing career that I think might suffer considerably if other authors that I know *KNEW* that I wrote fanfiction (let's not even get into the issue of slash). I think they would consider it at the very least ironic and at the very worst hypocritical. I mean, here I am a published author and I'm writing fanfiction? Et tu, Brutus? Of course, there are NOT going to be any fandoms dedicated to writing about my characters (HAHAHAHAHAHA!) but still.

I see nothing hypocritical in it and here's why (though keep in mind I am not published and hardly likely to ever be so). Firstly, it's fun, writing excerises if you will. Like Tiger Woods playing miniature golf for fun while wearing a disguise. I mean, if their stuff was so good, we wouldn't need to write fic for it, now would we? And secondly, no profits are made from it, and it's usually done out of love and devotion for a certain show/book/movie. The worst I would feel upon hearing someone had written fanfic for my work without my consent (Pooky and I discussed this one night) is weirded out that they would do it at all. And then if I read it and they slashed like...Deniau and James...I'd be so confused. It's just unnecessary, to my view, but I could see it. It would be far more disturbing as a couple though. Hmmm, I think this needs it own post.

Anyway, why wouldn't someone fanfic your work?

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The worst I would feel upon hearing someone had written fanfic for my work without my consent (Pooky and I discussed this one night) is weirded out that they would do it at all.

There are some authors who have specifically asked that people NOT fanfic their work. Anne Rice for one. Fanfiction.net will not post stories based on authors who have demanded not to have their boys played with.

You know, I think this is less of a moral issue using a movie (say, POTC) to spin a fantasy about because a movie is primarily a visual medium. Also the actors are playing parts, right? I mean, if we have Jack Sparrow sucking commodore cock, then it's not Johnny Depp sucking off Jack Dav, now is it? (Well, in my twisted imagination it could be, but let's not go there just yet).

But writing about another writer's writing is a whole of a hell of a lot different, and if a writer that I'd written slash about came out and said, stop, cease, and desist, I think I'd have to honor that request as much as it would pain me to do so.

And then if I read it and they slashed like...Deniau and James...

I would have thought this nigh impossible except after reading the chapter after Rene going insane (I know, which one was that). Where Deniau and James are watching Rene and Thierry on deck after Rene'd been chopped up. There is a new comraderie between the two of them. A sort of respect that had been missing before the re-taking of Rene's ship. As James begins to understand Rene's motivations, he naturally, I think, begins to understand Deniau's. Of course, Deniau is far from stupid, and it seems to me that anyone even thinking about trifling with Rene's studly boytoy is asking for a swift knife in the gut. Asking in NEON! And James is Rene's plain and simple. Nope, it wouldn't work. Before that specific chapter, I'd think anything based on James/Deniau would be a very gruesome fic with non-con as the name of the game. Based on your characterization of them up until that point. Shudders.

At the very least they should ask your permission. Someone asked me persmission to do the other half of "Lettered," my fic that is entirely from Draco's POV, a series of letters Draco Malfoy wrote to Harry Potter. We never see Harry's answers, just Draco's letters. I wrote it in such a style that I thought you didn't need to see Harry's answers, but she asked me if I was ever going to do the other half. I said no and if she wanted to, go to town. I've never seen her rendition, so maybe she never did it, but I'm glad she asked me.

And my book? People do not write fanfiction about second-rate mystery novels.

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Well I did have someone ask once to write more of my 'Covet' story. I said ok. She never did it either. Hmmm, now that would be the ultimate rareslash wouldn't it? Slash based on other author's slashfic...Oh my! The Controversy that would bring.

And James is Rene's plain and simple. Nope, it wouldn't work. Before that specific chapter, I'd think anything based on James/Deniau would be a very gruesome fic with non-con as the name of the game. Based on your characterization of them up until that point. Shudders. Such facts have never stopped a determined shipper, now have they? Heh heh. (Actually, Pooky and I non-con slash Etienne and Deniau all the time. Speaking of ew).

I think people might fic your work, the problem with rareslash in general is that you might make the pairing in your head, but you just feel that it will go unnoticed or no one will know the rare movie/book it came from if you wrote it and posted it. I was honestly shocked to discover Holmes/Watson slash (innocent me) as I thought I was the only one who made them such a tasty couple as I read the stories.


From: [identity profile] pir8fancier.livejournal.com


Holmes/Watson slash (innocent me) as I thought I was the only one who made them such a tasty couple as I read the stories.

I think you and I came out of the same pod because this seems a natural to me. I wouldn't write it because I could only see it in an "Odd Couple" sort of way, but it's a slam dunk as far as slash is concerned.

Etienne and Deniau? Now THERE'S a discussion for who's on top. O.O

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Well...huh...well originally...it started out as a bad joke. And recently there have been threats to actually write the thing...but it's definitely crossing the line. Cuz, see there's Deniau, all angry and raging at all nobles, all whites, and the man (sort of as he sees it) responsible for hurting Rene. And then there's Etienne...all tied up in the chair and helpless...

*cough*

From: [identity profile] pir8fancier.livejournal.com


Yeessssss, I can see Deniau's motivation in all this quite clearly. Based on assuming that you have a somewhat happy (sort of) ending in mind, what is Etienne going to get out of this besides copious rope burns?

::Orders cases of cough lozenges::

From: [identity profile] rispacooper.livejournal.com


Well they are both so very proud, in their way, that getting them to admit to anything, be it lust or remorse, or the slightest desire to do it again would be so very difficult. Which is why the ropes would initially make it so very easy. What I imagine is the first encounter (first...heh heh) being almost entirely rage based, and then, though Deniau would never admit it, they like it and wants more. Etienne, well Etienne is a secret badass, given the chance (it's just in his blood) and I think he actually is quite experienced at bowing before the unstoppable force when that or death are his only options, only to seek revenge later. And maybe like Rene he sees the power in being "bottom". But still, it would essentially prove every snobby thought about peasants (and black savages) correct, and make him even more superior, but burning with an answering rage underneath it all...

It's a relationship of much blood being shed. Grrrr.

From: [identity profile] pir8fancier.livejournal.com


What I imagine is the first encounter (first...heh heh) being almost entirely rage based,

Absolutely.

I think he actually is quite experienced at bowing before the unstoppable force when that or death are his only options,

This is well proven based on his ability to survive the voyage back to France with nary a whimper. God these St. Cyr boys have grit.

And maybe like Rene he sees the power in being "bottom".

James certainly has proven that. Am beginning to almost feel sorry for Rene.

But still, it would essentially prove every snobby thought about peasants (and black savages) correct, and make him even more superior, but burning with an answering rage underneath it all...

It's a relationship of much blood being shed. Grrrr.


You've convinced me. Write away. And I thought Rene/James was dark!

From: [identity profile] rispacooper.livejournal.com


Hmmm. It's weirdly enjoyable to think about, isn't it? So very dark though. The kind of dark I usually read but don't write. It would not be romantic at all. Etienne, after all, has to produce an heir at some point. Marry rich and marry well. Ah...it's so dysfunctional...It would rival the saga, I think, and the Shang/Shanny lust and almost-rapes spanning over twenty years.


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God, my ass should be so fired. I have done NO work today at my
job. NONE!

Now back to our regular programming.

Marry rich and marry well. Ah...it's so dysfunctional...It would rival the saga..

The same role that religion plays in the James/Rene dynamic (tension/conflict/angst/rage) would be one hundred fold here because (a) Rene is by virtue of his birth an outlaw, which in many respects makes him much "free-er" than James is. I saw James' earring as (probably) too symbolic, but really a physical manifestation of his throwing his hat into the pirate camp. James is now an outlaw. And, hence, as "free" as his conscience and morals dictates, but he really isn't beholden to any laws at this point. Piracy is in someways ultimately freeing. These boys have much more choice, actually, than someone like Etienne.

Our dear Etienne is not a "free" man. He will have to marry well. He will have to marry rich (especially after Rene sold off all the sugar. Sounds like ALL the furniture has already been sold to pay debts. Bet Papa St. Cyr is already ordering Etienne's wedding clothes and posted the banns). And I think Etienne would have nothing but scorn for any other world. How he tries to shoe horn Deniau into this world? I think Deniau seems himself as having choice of a sort as a pirate and what is he willing to give up for Etienne?

Dark you say? No fucking lie.

But, um, could you please, uh, finish James/Rene before you embark on dark Etienne/Deniau fic that will, like James/Rene, grab my imagination and NOT let go? Insert fangirl squee.

From: [identity profile] pir8fancier.livejournal.com

PS


Unless Deniau starts to upset Etienne's apple cart, somewhat in the same vein that Rene upset James' apple cart and vice verse.

This could be VERY interesting. And the issue of slave versus privilege. Who's king of France right now? It is still Louis XIV?

From: [identity profile] rispacooper.livejournal.com


well, off the top of my head, i would say, with his inclinations being what they are, and Louis (yes, XIV) not quite solidifying his power base at Versailles yet, there is something of a power vaccuum among the nobility. with the financial backing, that a wife would bring, there is room enough for etienne to become quite a ruthless son of a bitch. a pirate on land. raise the family up to the snotty ass heights that the saint-cyrs were before the Revolution. at the same time, etienne, like the ne ne, has a conscience, or at least a sense of honour. there are sisters to keep him in check, and then, of course, there would be the deniau to kick his ass.

i kind of picture deniau as with him at all times, in this way that others would assume was a servant/bodyguard/enforcer. unless of course they move out to the saint-cyr holdings in the caribbean...

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Since I am working overtime to payback ALL THE TIME I spent on the previous day's play on LJ, I feel only slightly guilty replying to this.

Query? Why is speculating about sex and men much more interesting than editing engineering? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Have you read Madame de Sevigne's letters and how eventually the daughter and her Count ended up bankrupting themselves with their rapacious desire for show? Although, the St. Cyrs don't seem like gamblers (how DID they lose their money?), if ne ne is any example. Control freaks do NOT equal gamblers.

then, of course, there would be the deniau to kick his ass.

Is that kick ass or kiss ass?

From: [identity profile] rispacooper.livejournal.com


i have to say, the speculation about men and sex is far more fun than work. speculation is better than writing it, which is a big fat pain in the ass.

i would imagine daddy spent the money on the following: whoring, drinking, mistresses, probably other bastards, trying to match people who actually had fortunes in his looks and dress. french nobles weren't quite forbidden to work as english nobles were, but they weren't necessarily tied to land. the family was, i imagine, poor to begin with so daddy married etienne's mother and then promptly spent her fortunes. there's the property in the carib. but rene and mirena sucked up this year's profits for that, didn't they?

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Your typical French wastrel then? Silly woman married him for his looks (as Rene sounds QUITE fetching! and has his "look") and then he proceeded to run through her fortune. Was gambling as much of a vice in France as it was in England?

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You know...if it was, I think they hid that info. I mean, England practically flaunted its gaming hells. France...well they mention it as a vice, almost a crime for people like Francois Villon, "gambler and scoundrel". But I believe the king enjoyed his cards, so then nobles would have had to play as a court activity, and for high stakes too, I bet.
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