So...someone...last week ([livejournal.com profile] ponderosa121? [livejournal.com profile] tmelange?) was talking about pieces of fic that are so good that they pull you into a fandom and make you want to seek out everything else for that fandom, but then are so complete and so well-written that by the time you finish reading you are done with that fandom, because that fic was the be all and end all for that pairing/show/movie and is so beautiful that you don't want to ruin it with anything else.

Which is a beautiful, thoughtful sentiment, and the example given was Resonant's Higher Learning, which is an excellent example. And very true.

But that (combined with [livejournal.com profile] misskittie79's discussion of my 'voice' and my writing tendencies) made me think about my writing, specifically why I fuss and angst and kill myself with stress over short stories of *fanfiction*. And I think part of it is that for some reason I never think I'm going to write any more than one story for any one particular fandom, so with each story I feel all this pressure to say everything I want to say, and to make it close to perfect.

Not that my fanfic has ever reach the levels of something like Higher Learning, I just mean my brain for some reason must be aspiring to something like that. Nevermind that I usually end up writing several stories for a fandom and not just one. This is probably also why most of my porn is all symbolic and meaningful instead of just some sexin'.

These are things I must work on, I suppose. That's all. Strange thinky thoughts over for now. Back to boysinskirts.
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From: [personal profile] nigeltde

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While I definitely agree that some fics feel seminal or define a fandom or are simply the best (subjectively, that is) story in a fandom, I wouldn't say for me that these fics are so complete and so well-written that by the time you finish reading you are done with that fandom, because that fic was the be all and end all for that pairing/show/movie and is so beautiful that you don't want to ruin it with anything else.

I think the awesome thing about fanfiction is that nothing can ruin anything else. For instance, I recently read two fabulous Supernatural stories, In nomine patris and Second glance, one directly after the other, which show the character of John Winchester in two completely different, almost mutually exclusive lights, and they both felt true and real and were emotionally powerful. Neither one spoiled the other.

Having said that, perhaps a smaller, closed canon, and a small fandom is the key to what you say? I haven't read Higher Learning; I think it's for the Breakfast Club? Which I haven't even seen. The only fic I can think of that means something like what you say to me is Dorinda's The Buried Treasure Racket, which is so astoundingly good and perfect for the canon that I can't imagine anything better. It filled me up for The Sting, but that's not to say that I wouldn't snack on anything else that came my way, especially for fear of ruining TBTR. I guess what I'm trying to say is that IMO no one fic can say everything there is to say about a fandom, even a small one.

I got the movie Reservoir Dogs out of my system when I wrote Free Agent Orange; I said everything I needed to say about the movie in that. But I am still very interested in reading what other people have to say. I did kill myself over that story, so I understand what you're saying there though. But don't denigrate it! There's nothing wrong with aspiring to excellence; and fanfiction is never "just" fanfiction :-D

From: [identity profile] paraxdisepink.livejournal.com


I'm the same about writing fic - I feel like I *have* to get it all in so it can be my perfectly acurate representation of my own personal canon and my view of everything re that show/pairing/whatever, so I end up squishing like ten stories into one - hello HAIR PORN I'M LOOKING AT YOU. Really, I should know that if I have that much to say I'll never shut up with the stories hehe

That's why the recent kink challenge was fun. I only told one story, and I didn't drive myself up the wall. In my mind, it was an "extra" fic and didn't have to be perfect.

From: [identity profile] rispacooper.livejournal.com

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You know, you might be right about the smaller fandoms just being sort of perfectly encapsulated by some talented writer. A story for The Sting? Actaully that sounds awesome, and I've read Dorinda's MFU stuff (if it's the same Dorinda. I'm sure the net has more than one).

Though in the bigger fandoms there are definitely stories that I would show to people as the first story they ought to read for that show or whatever. (Smallville/The_Spike I'm looking at you...)

Higher Learning is a pairing that would never have occurred to me and that story made it canon as far as I'm concerned. Completely and totally sold it and made it real. Sort of like, oddly enough, [livejournal.com profile] thefourthvine's (I think) Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang story.

From: [identity profile] rispacooper.livejournal.com


I'm sorry I'm 'making' you write the hair porn, or even suggesting it. But now you know my uniform kink angst. Damn it sucked.

Squishing ten stories into one sounds about right.

From: [identity profile] paraxdisepink.livejournal.com


Blah that story lives in my head. It's either get it out or I dunno, die. Some chars/pairings are just very dynamic.

From: [identity profile] pir8fancier.livejournal.com

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You used a very unfair example because Higher Learning is one of those fics that transcends ALL fandoms because it's so bloody brilliant. I hated that movie, I hated Judd whatever his name is, and I adore that fic with a passion.

I guess I have enough of an ego that I believe that I have several things to say and even when intimidated by other writers (stares in your direction), I just keep plodding along.

The bottomline is, if you stop writing due South because you finished the uniform kink fic, I'm going to hunt you down and beat you with a lanyard.

From: [identity profile] rispacooper.livejournal.com

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Pooks and I were ranting about the WIPs we both currently have. And I guess it just got me thinking, how I always start out with an idea that seems simple, and then I obsess and obsess and freak out until it becomes 29 pages of Ray thinking about jerking off in the uniform vs. Ray just jerking off in the damn uniform.


From: [identity profile] rispacooper.livejournal.com


ok this is gonna sound weird but the pretty icon you made me...seems to *really* go with the heels in my LJ background.

Like really. Like now I need Ray in the leather, with the gun, wearing heels.

And I don't even know how to *begin* to explain that in fic form.

From: [identity profile] paraxdisepink.livejournal.com


I love that picture. It's from the beginning of "The Ladies Man" He just looks so sexy and beautiful hehe :)

He's too tall for high heels

Though I had visions of Fraser getting turned on by the smell of his leather coat the other day . . . cos "leather" was an F/K porn battle prompt.

From: [identity profile] rispacooper.livejournal.com

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Or like, say, 30 pages of CSI sex fic that turned into spanking! fic and then buttsex and yet it hasn't even gotten to the buttsex yet!!!


bonkersbonkersbonkers

From: [identity profile] rispacooper.livejournal.com


As drag queens will tell you. Heels aren't about height. Heels = sex.

:P

From: [identity profile] paraxdisepink.livejournal.com


For me they usually equal pain heh I can't wear them hehe

From: [identity profile] paraxdisepink.livejournal.com


For me they usually equal pain heh I can't wear them hehe

From: [identity profile] pir8fancier.livejournal.com

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It might drive you bonkers but it means that I get to read a fic that explores someone's psyche and let's me play there for hours. Really, I envy you that. How you can just take a simple act of putting on a uniform and 30 pages later we're still putting on the uniform and we know this character. You probably don't see it as a gift, but an albatross around your neck, but your readers? We appreciate that compulsion to put on your hip waders and dive in. It's what make IOS one of the most compelling pieces of fiction I've ever read.

From: [identity profile] rispacooper.livejournal.com

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Hmm well thank you. I don't know if you'll agree after my loooong epic and probably boring CSI AU Roman Holiday thingee is finally done. That one I think might end up being just for me.

Ah well.
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